yeah...primal forge are run by labyrinth, they're whats left after labyrinthe's makers went seperate ways via cutting edge (now defunct) etc-all badly made substandard kit that made up for 90% of the stuff i used to get in for repairs (low grade cores and foam, as good as no tip reinforcing, minimal thickness of latex etc). not one to blow my own trumpet, but my stuffs FAR nicer, better made and more durable- and cheaper even without any discounts, im sure no one here will argue. interestingly, you never see pf at any larp events.